Issue with ICA

[lugi]

Originally Posted by goodpartner

Bro, 10pts still humble ah?
How many points than not humble?

Bro,

I am humble mah, so what belongs to me also humble lor...

I see you have power of 10 also, try to be humble lah...

[sirbrian]

1) Charlie met Moon 2yrs ago in China when he was already going through a real rough divorce on his first marriage.

2) During the last 2 years that Charlie is in contact with Moon, he flies to China at least 3-4 times a year to see Moon. At the same time he learns about Moon's family and her Singapore history from herself:
2.1) Moon was deported from Singapore back to China 3.5years ago (Mid 2008).
2.2) Moon was caught on the streets in GL after leaving work in a pub.
2.1) In Moon's passport, an ICA stamp with IMS/DXXXXXX was stamped.
2.4) Moon recalled that an ICA officer told the her (and a group of others) that they are not allowed to enter into Singapore and Malaysia for three (3) years.

3) Ben divorced finalised mid 2010 and he decided to marry Moon on Sept 2010 despite know the truth. They got married in China since Moon can enter into Singapore yet last year. All certificates endorsed by Singapore Embassy too.

4) As the lovely couple thought that the three (3) years ban as been over since mid this year (mid 2011), ther decided to apply for a visit visa in s Singapore Embassy in China when he visited her in Sep 2011. Embassy rejected the application and advised Charlie to go back to Singapore to ICA and appeal for entry due to his wife's record.

5) Charlie submitted an appeal a month ago, and received a reply letter a few days ago that the appeal is rejected.

6) Charlie requested a call from the undersigning officer.

7) Officer called and mentioned the following:
7.1) Moon's ban is more than 3 years, but it is not forever too. The ban period could not be disclosed.
7.2) Charlie was advised not to appeal within the next 6 months if there is no better grounds.
7.3) Unless there is better grounds, the appeal will be rejected within the next 6 months at least.
7.4) Officer said that no ICA officer will mentioned the ban period (eg. 3 years ago)

Charlie and Moon are distraught over this as it has been so tough on them to explain why they are not together to their immediate families. Charlie has a very good career, earning more than 5k a month. Charlie is a Singaporean.

Hope al Snr Bros can share some knowledge and advise, eg what is "IMS/DXXXXXX", what is the most likely ban period, and what is the best solution to appeal? Thanks a million on behalf of Charlie.

And lastly, pls no nasty remarks about their marriage, as even I as his best friend does not mind about Moon's past and I know they are for real.

[littlebiker]

Originally Posted by sirbrian

1) Charlie met Moon 2yrs ago in China when he was already going through a real rough divorce on his first marriage.

2) During the last 2 years that Charlie is in contact with Moon, he flies to China at least 3-4 times a year to see Moon. At the same time he learns about Moon's family and her Singapore history from herself:
2.1) Moon was deported from Singapore back to China 3.5years ago (Mid 2008).
2.2) Moon was caught on the streets in GL after leaving work in a pub.
2.1) In Moon's passport, an ICA stamp with IMS/DXXXXXX was stamped.
2.4) Moon recalled that an ICA officer told the her (and a group of others) that they are not allowed to enter into Singapore and Malaysia for three (3) years.

3) Ben divorced finalised mid 2010 and he decided to marry Moon on Sept 2010 despite know the truth. They got married in China since Moon can enter into Singapore yet last year. All certificates endorsed by Singapore Embassy too.

4) As the lovely couple thought that the three (3) years ban as been over since mid this year (mid 2011), ther decided to apply for a visit visa in s Singapore Embassy in China when he visited her in Sep 2011. Embassy rejected the application and advised Charlie to go back to Singapore to ICA and appeal for entry due to his wife's record.

5) Charlie submitted an appeal a month ago, and received a reply letter a few days ago that the appeal is rejected.

6) Charlie requested a call from the undersigning officer.

7) Officer called and mentioned the following:
7.1) Moon's ban is more than 3 years, but it is not forever too. The ban period could not be disclosed.
7.2) Charlie was advised not to appeal within the next 6 months if there is no better grounds.
7.3) Unless there is better grounds, the appeal will be rejected within the next 6 months at least.
7.4) Officer said that no ICA officer will mentioned the ban period (eg. 3 years ago)

Charlie and Moon are distraught over this as it has been so tough on them to explain why they are not together to their immediate families. Charlie has a very good career, earning more than 5k a month. Charlie is a Singaporean.

Hope al Snr Bros can share some knowledge and advise, eg what is "IMS/DXXXXXX", what is the most likely ban period, and what is the best solution to appeal? Thanks a million on behalf of Charlie.

And lastly, pls no nasty remarks about their marriage, as even I as his best friend does not mind about Moon's past and I know they are for real.

"And lastly, pls no nasty remarks about their marriage, as even I as his best friend does not mind about Moon's past and I know they are for real."
Bro I like this sentence from you.

But soon, i think you might get comments from someone in here who likes to keep saying whores are for us to fuck and not love when sometimes the situation the girl ain't even working as a whore.

And also this guy simply like to correct people english for nothing especially the word "advice/advise". Bro don't really meant to create trouble here but then once again, even if whores, they are also human.

Who says that they don't deserve love from the others? People who can accept them, good. People who can't accept them, then just shut their mouth and do their own stuffs bonking and go away. I guess this somebody must have been hurt by a whore before, so much that he have the hatred deep inside his heart.

[F-boy]

Same with my case, gf refused entry. No reasons given but figured is that she comes to Singapore too often. No chop or whatever verbal warning given.

Must rest how long before trying her luck again to enter again?

Address in white card, previously was her ex bf details and address.....now if change to mine details will it have any problems? Stay prestige address got any impact? If include my namecard contact details will be more helpful?

Thought of trying other means, you think can work?

Give her alot of cash to show.
Get her a sub credit card.
Pre register her at a course in private school.
Book her on a package tour, 5 star hotel?
Fly in by business class?

Another other suggestion that i missed out?

Originally Posted by lugi

A VB just asked me this question.

She was refused entry into sillypore in Aug. Reason was not given by ICA but it seems that it had to do something with the address on the white card as ICA just asked something about who resides there and she was denied entry.

Now, she would like to gain entry into Sillypore again to visit her boyfriend father who had suffered a stroke and is in hospital now.

What would some other things/documents that she need to prepare besides a confirmation letter from the hospital? Any specific questions that ICA would ask her at the checkpoint?

Any inputs much appreciated.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by shysaint

Same scenerio as me last year, however my wife, gf then was not asked to go into office for questioning.

1. Address declared MUST be his BF, if his BF stayed with his dad ... more better ...

Main reason to be here : Help look after his Mum since his dad is in hospital.
Whatever you are questions, the story will be always the same ... do not change.


Q & A:

1. Now come here for what ?

-> I come here see my bf's father ... he is in hospital becasue of stroke ... his mum also old , and my BF working, I come here help take care her mum also.

2. WHy stay so long?
-> To help my bf take care his mum, we don't when his dad will be discharge, so can stay how long stay how long.

3. Produce whatever documents from hospital ...

Other than that nothing much .. coz no one will joke about this type of scenerio ... and I believe the officer will not be so sacrastic or inhuman to this type of scenerio unless he gal is BANNED from entering ...

[goodpartner]

Originally Posted by sirbrian

Charlie has a very good career, earning more than 5k a month. Charlie is a Singaporean.

One possibility is that $5K is still not enuff.
Seriously, it's a mean income for most white-collar worker in Sg. Income tax wise, he is perhaps paying only $2K-$3K per year...

...........................Chargeable
...........................Income...Rate.......Gro ss Tax Payable
...........................$...........(%)........ .$
On the first...........20,000....0%.........$0
On the next...........10,000...3.5%...... $350
On the first...........30,000.................$350
On the next...........10,000...5.5%...... $550
On the first...........40,000.................$900
On the next...........40,000...8.5%......$3,400
On the first...........80,000.................$4,300
On the next...........80,000... 14%....... $11,200
On the first...........160,000...............$15,500
On the next...........160,000..17%.......$27,200
On the first...........320,000................$42,700
Above...................320,000....20%

See how the tax $ increases exponentially if you hit close to $160K? Almost 3 to 6 times...

If the PRC wife is a "home maker" without education, he will likely need to prove to the gahmen that he can more than support her easily...
The gahmen may also not want to loose a very high income earner to other countries, in case you are forced to migrate out of the country to be with your wife if they don't let her join you here.

Not saying that paying more tax is the way to get higher approval rate, but the ability to provide for a foreign wife/migrant is an important factor to ensure that the population here remain a certain...uh...for lack of a better word.... class (reminds me of someone ).

For the above case, one negative factor is the wife's "criminal record" which makes it even more challenging. It's not just "how many years of ban", but really, if there is a quota (gahmen always have quota for everything) for the number of foreigners to be allowed into Sg as LTVP/PR/Citizen, all the positive factors + negative factors will be compared to another foreigner wife who has better qualification, clean records, not a ex-WL, never been caught before, etc... So the way to compare better is to UP your positive factors (income, contribution to country) much much more.

7.2) Charlie was advised not to appeal within the next 6 months if there is no better grounds.

What other better grounds are possible within that 6 mths?
1) Suddenly become rich, strike lottery?
2) Income increase a lot?
3) Make baby? (if you lucky in some years where gahmen pushing this policy & need to hit quota)

So you should be asking others here what are the ways to get "better grounds" on top of asking what does "IMS/DXXXXXX" mean.

Some of the above are derived from logics, and I stand to be corrected

[Dragon1]

Originally Posted by Golden question

Allow me to ask u a question if i am a immigration officer.

Why would any ppl come here to sg for holiday for up to 30 days?Our country is certainly not big enough for anyone to have a reason to tour for 30 days.Do u think if u are the officer,will u think is funny to come here for 30 days?sound fishy right and some more is so call those country which have a bad reputation to them.

Other valid reason like education,medication,business dont say if u have those valid document to proof

Thanks Golden Brother for the good advise given.

Yes, if come for holiday in Singapore, 7 days in more then enough. Other then the valid reasons you stated, can the reasons be as simple as to be with her boyfriend. On her every entry, I always go to Vietnam for a few days stay with her and accompany her back to Singapore.

Many advise from brothers, is to get a 7 days return ticket and after gaining entry, stay to full 30 days. Because she was permitted for 30 days, changing return date is a personal plan. Is this an issue with the ICA?

Have any brothers with the experiences, by having her VN girlfriend bought a return ticket for 30days, and having no issues with ICA?

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

Have any brothers with the experiences, by having her VN girlfriend bought a return ticket for 30days, and having no issues with ICA?

I always brought a 30 days return ticket for my wife then gf for about 1 yrs plus ... so far no questions asked why come here so long except for 1 time she was called into office and have her photo and thumbprints taken ...

[Dragon1]

Originally Posted by shysaint

I always brought a 30 days return ticket for my wife then gf for about 1 yrs plus ... so far no questions asked why come here so long except for 1 time she was called into office and have her photo and thumbprints taken ...

Thanks Shysaint for your infor,

By the way, during that time every entry you brought a 30 days return ticket, how long you let your GF go back Vietnam before coming into Singapore again?

Because currently, when my GF go back Vietnam, she come into Singapore with a break of 1 month.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

Thanks Shysaint for your infor,

By the way, during that time every entry you brought a 30 days return ticket, how long you let your GF go back Vietnam before coming into Singapore again?

Because currently, when my GF go back Vietnam, she come into Singapore with a break of 1 month.

If Extend her stay, she will stay in VN for about 2 mths then come again ..

If her stay here is 1 mth, then she will stay in VN for 1 mth ....

[lugi]

Originally Posted by shysaint

Same scenerio as me last year, however my wife, gf then was not asked to go into office for questioning.

Other than that nothing much .. coz no one will joke about this type of scenerio ... and I believe the officer will not be so sacrastic or inhuman to this type of scenerio unless he gal is BANNED from entering ...

The VB just informed that that she was unsuccessful because she was banned from entering.

The ICA officer refused to let her know how long her ban was. However, they did say can appeal by writing in. When asked how soon can get a reply, she just shrugged her shoulders and say it depends.

The VB was also not given reason for her ban, but was hinted that it could be the address written on her white card last round when she was refused entry. She told me her bf was also asked into the interview room for questioning.

Whole session was about an hour, and the usual process happened. Checking of bags, clothes, money, finger print etc.

Any bros has experience of writing in a successful appeal letter for the lifting of the ban?

Thanks

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by lugi

The VB just informed that that she was unsuccessful because she was banned from entering.

The ICA officer refused to let her know how long her ban was. However, they did say can appeal by writing in. When asked how soon can get a reply, she just shrugged her shoulders and say it depends.

The VB was also not given reason for her ban, but was hinted that it could be the address written on her white card last round when she was refused entry. She told me her bf was also asked into the interview room for questioning.

Whole session was about an hour, and the usual process happened. Checking of bags, clothes, money, finger print etc.

Any bros has experience of writing in a successful appeal letter for the lifting of the ban?

Thanks

Possibility :

1. Bf is married ...
2. Bf got police case ...

U might want to search my previous sharing on this ...

[Dragon1]

Originally Posted by shysaint

Possibility :

1. Bf is married ...
2. Bf got police case ...

U might want to search my previous sharing on this ...

The last entry of my gf, I have come in together with her from Vietnam. My gf was also asked into the room for question & refused her from entry. I have ready a letter, as suggested by the brother here, with my Deed of Separation for the Duty Officer. When the officer call me, he said that they do not interfere into personal matters, whether I am married, separated or single, is not their problems but they only access her base on immigration rules.

By the end of the conversation, they said, "with a deed of separation, you still a married man". ???????? What a f***, said no interfere into personal matters???????

[SureScore]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

By the end of the conversation, they said, "with a deed of separation, you still a married man". ???????? What a f***, said no interfere into personal matters???????

Deed of separation meaning "that the spouses may legally live apart, but they are still legally married"...until 3 years later then the court can officially grant divorce.

You can inform the ICA officer that she is your new girlfirend and intend to marry her after leaglly divorce. This trip for her is to meet your parents and family members. Then she has to stay in your house using your address declared in the immigration white card.

The final decision is still with the ICA officer.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

The last entry of my gf, I have come in together with her from Vietnam. My gf was also asked into the room for question & refused her from entry. I have ready a letter, as suggested by the brother here, with my Deed of Separation for the Duty Officer. When the officer call me, he said that they do not interfere into personal matters, whether I am married, separated or single, is not their problems but they only access her base on immigration rules.

By the end of the conversation, they said, "with a deed of separation, you still a married man". ???????? What a f***, said no interfere into personal matters???????

JUst to relate my wife then gf encounter ...

Off : DO you know that your BF is MARRIED ?
WIFE : Yes , I know he is Married BUT he DIVORCED already!

Off : HOw long her divorced already?
WIFE : ABout 2 Years.

Off : Lucky you know your bf and he is Divorced already, IF NOT I WILL SEND YOU BACK NOW !

Just to relate another case of my friend which I help to appeal.

Trip before Banned.

Off : WHo is he ?
VB : He is my BF ...

Off : oh okie ....

Next Trip :

Off : Go Office.
Off : Come here for WHAT?
VB : COme here see BF (BF reference same as previous trip)
Off : DO you Know he is MARRIED ?
VB : Hmmmm ...
OFF : WHY ? You come here break his Family har ?
VB : No ...
OFF : Okie . I be sending u back to VN ... BANNED 1 Year ....

Another case for sharing:

VB was called into office:

OFF : Come here for what?
VB : See friend.
OFF : So this Reference is your friend?
VB : Yes.
OFF : WHere will you be staying ?
VB : Dunno Yet, my friend waiting outside for me will bring me go find hotel to stay.

OFF called my friend.

OFF : IS xxx your friend?
FRiend : Yes.
OFF : Can tell me where will she be staying?
Friend : Dunno yet. I suppose to bring her find hotel and check-in.
OFF : Oh okie .. Thank you.

Outcome : VB NEVER come out of Immigration to meet my friend .. GUESS send back ...

Another summary of a few VB being sent back becasue of house raids ...

2 was brought back to POlice stationed ... BF came to bring them out with their passport as they are NOT staying at that raided apartment.

REsult .. Send back and BANNED for 7 mths.


The pointers that I always share :

1. Don't think "THEY" are stupid ...

2. They can let you OFF initially BUT doesn't mean next trip you CAN be lucky .... WHY i say so .. sometimes they let you go thru, BUT they will do background CHecks after that on the so called BF ... if okie .. subsequent should not be problem , if got problem .. GooD LucK to the VB ...

Note : For my case ... my marital status was check on the spot when my wife then GF was called into office.

3. PLease do not be HERO to get free F**K IF you are Married and be the sponsor of the VB ... for whatever reason you maybe risking her chance to earn $$$ back to support her family back home.

4. Declare BF sometimes doesn't MEAN Anything !

5. What to bring in your Gal(s) ?? BE SINGLE ! LEGALLY DIVORCED ! ELse don't Risk your Gal Especially she may soon be your WIFE ... Yes there are cases which they accept Deed of Seperation ... BUT it is NOT always and it is NOT Foolproof .... it depends on the OFF ...

[F-boy]

Originally Posted by shysaint

Possibility :

1. Bf is married ...
2. Bf got police case ...

U might want to search my previous sharing on this ...

I like to ask about info on white card.
Only indicate is an residential address, name of so called boyfriend also not needed.
Pray tell how can they assess so much info based on an address? They know the boyfriend marital status etc etc?
Also was told it is taboo to change address info on white card....best to still to the same address used previously as ICA have the record....knn people cannot move house one meh?