My Life experiences

[hard2]

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki

Bro zapme, please refer to above point.2 comment by Bro DO_YOU_BJ and reflect on it.

I leave you with this: 去山中之魔易，去心中之魔難. 魔 - 人人害怕, 魔在哪里?魔不一定是外在的, 内心里的瞋恨嫉妒，也是魔, 必须用定力、慧力、信力，才能降魔.

Bro r u Buddhist hehe, well said, and I? also like Zen which sometimes really good to our life

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Many people rely too heavily on religion, they forget that religion is like a key to a door, but the end of it, it can open a door for you but you still got to walk into the door yourself. I think & hope you understand this!

Can not agree more for this part, the journey is yours, and it is you yourself who need to face the reality and walk along the way to solve all the problems

[billgates]

Yes, I m RC as well. And I stand corrected, yes, I know of documented cases of possessions etc but I can tell u it's extremely rare, like 1/10 is confirmed genuine.

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

May I inquire you religious faith?
As mentioned, I'm a roman catholic & i'm sure your not one, Christian most likely but definitely not Roman Catholic, how I know???????
Cos you dun believe in Possessions.........where all Roman Catholics know that there's actually a division in the Vatican that specialises in possessions and the occults, which happens to be a full time hobby of mine, the paranormal other than, vice of course lol

For the majority of cases, it all boils down to depression and "state of mind". Most ppl convince themselves and others there are supernatural forces at work and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I personally know of one case - a woman suffering frm depression who tells me all kinds of things happening in her house, spririts flying out when she burns her hubby's porn materials etc. Eventually she took her own life. Some of u may remember this case in SG some years back. While most of us are thrilled & entertained by stories of supernatural encounters etc, we are in fact, reinforcing the "victims" beliefs by being interested to know more and believing everything they say.

I am not saying TS is a liar, just that there is so much we don't know and we have to explore all possibilities before concluding its the act of spirits etc. If it were to happen to me, my first course would be to seek medical help. Only if all else fails and its confirmed that I need divine intervention, then I wld seek out a priest. I am not toking cock n bull here, like u, I have researched this supernatural thingy, even spending nights at CCK cemetary during Ghost Month but finding nothing, zilch.

My best friend, who is a Buddhist monk, have this to say. Yes, there are spirit entities out there, but their power is derived from our fears.

To each his own, I guess. Kindly do not zap me for my personal beliefs, thank u.

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Lastly, why do u think he needs to see a shrink? You one? Just becos you cant accept what others can, doesnt mean they're delusional, it may just mean that you're someone who is xenophobic that's all.

[Ichigo_Kurosaki]

Originally Posted by hard2

Bro r u Buddhist hehe, well said, and I? also like Zen which sometimes really good to our life

Hi Bro hard2, ZEN (禅) is good.

I am a naturalistic aka free thinker (that's why so free always post here.heehee), I respect all religions as equally divine and true and see the good in all. Error which is human due to misconception and misconstruction of truths on account of prejudice, bigotry, lack of purity of heart, subtlety, purity of intellect and perverted condition.

p/s: This esteem Bro DO_YOU_BJ is awesome and insightful. What a bless to see him out of retirement and commented here

[Cheonging101]

Originally Posted by billgates

I am not saying TS is a liar, just that there is so much we don't know and we have to explore all possibilities before concluding its the act of spirits etc. If it were to happen to me, my first course would be to seek medical help. Only if all else fails and its confirmed that I need divine intervention, then I wld seek out a priest.

Bro, I agree that you have to explore all possibilities before concluding that the occurences are of supernatural origins.

BUT, I don't see why these cannot be done concurrently. Sometimes, taking too much time to approach the CORRECT avenue may be "too late".

Originally Posted by billgates

I personally know of one case - a woman suffering frm depression who tells me all kinds of things happening in her house, spririts flying out when she burns her hubby's porn materials etc. Eventually she took her own life. Some of u may remember this case in SG some years back. While most of us are thrilled & entertained by stories of supernatural encounters etc, we are in fact, reinforcing the "victims" beliefs by being interested to know more and believing everything they say.

Classic case of "too late".

Originally Posted by billgates

I am not toking cock n bull here, like u, I have researched this supernatural thingy, even spending nights at CCK cemetary during Ghost Month but finding nothing, zilch.

Bro, what kind of research is this? You go to a place where the dead are already buried and resting in peace to find ghosts? You might as well go to library to look for Playboy magazine.

Originally Posted by billgates

My best friend, who is a Buddhist monk, have this to say. Yes, there are spirit entities out there, but their power is derived from our fears.

That is the truth. And the first thing that what these spirits would do is to instill the fear in you. It does not have to be the fear in the spirit itself but what it would make the ones you love do.

Originally Posted by billgates

To each his own, I guess. Kindly do not zap me for my personal beliefs, thank u.

Don't worry, we're here to share and exchange views. Even with tea-skinned ladies from 3rd world countries if they happen to be here.

[zapme]

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki

Bro zapme, please refer to above point.2 comment by Bro DO_YOU_BJ and reflect on it.

I leave you with this: 去山中之魔易，去心中之魔難. 魔 - 人人害怕, 魔在哪里?魔不一定是外在的, 内心里的瞋恨嫉妒，也是魔, 必须用定力、慧力、信力，才能降魔.

Pal, yes i will, thats the reason y i duno how to ans point2, cos i need to do reflection.

A normal person i am, tend to have this habit of taking for granted as well. While writing out the whole encounter indirectly oso make me wakeup to how we have crossed many hurdles in life. I will treasure it.

You are right, my heart has been fill by impatient, stress, jeoulusy or whatever it is. That is causing the misery. Once i cleanse my heart, peave will follow.

Thanks all for the kindly advice. Apppreciated.

[billgates]

I am hesitant to give out the whole story for fear of identifying the surviving kin and also revealing my identity. Although she was hallucinating and seeing all kinds of spirits, hers was clearly a medical case. She was diagnosed with severe depression. It was "too late" because she skipped medication on that fateful day and was left alone and unsupervised.

Originally Posted by Cheonging101

Classic case of "too late".

Bro, the story is like this, during Ghost Month, the spirits are "resurrected" by hired mediums to have their say on what they are lacking in their afterlife. Ironically most next-of-kin are more interested to get 4D numbers from their deceased relatives. I found the atmosphere more like a carnival with one clan association after another coming in with mediums in a trance (supposedly possessed by the deceased person's spirit) telling the surviving members of the family what they need etc. I have the whole event recorded on film. I think if these mediums were working in Hollywood, they would be likely candidates for the Emmy Awards under the category "Best Acting Under Possession by Unknown Spirits."

Apologies again if I sound sceptical but as I said, this is my personal opinion only. Others may have their own views and I shld respect that. Some choose to believe while some choose to dismiss. For me, I need facts and evidence.

Originally Posted by Cheonging101

Bro, what kind of research is this? You go to a place where the dead are already buried and resting in peace to find ghosts? You might as well go to library to look for Playboy magazine.

[zapme]

Originally Posted by billgates

I am not saying TS is a liar, just that there is so much we don't know and we have to explore all possibilities before concluding its the act of spirits etc. If it were to happen to me, my first course would be to seek medical help. Only if all else fails and its confirmed that I need divine intervention, then I wld seek out a priest. I am not toking cock n bull here, like u, I have researched this supernatural thingy, even spending nights at CCK cemetary during Ghost Month but finding nothing, zilch.

My best friend, who is a Buddhist monk, have this to say. Yes, there are spirit entities out there, but their power is derived from our fears.

To each his own, I guess. Kindly do not zap me for my personal beliefs, thank u.

Ya i agreed its difficult for readers to judge her case or condition issit by spirits. For me cos i am involved thats y i asume its spirits case.

She ever took depression medication, and just keep feeling tired and sleep. It does help her not to think too much cos always sleeping. But on long term medication issit good for the heath?? i believe it only weaken the mind and body more.


When we first started going chanting end07, she was nvr on medication, and was telling its great, makes her mind fresh and at least she wont be like a loss and knows what she is doing. She even told me must force her to go chanting, if not tell her breakup, this way she definitely will go chanting.

Y i assume is spirits doing is cos,
1) The eyes expression, the way and tone she talk is all different.
2) My collegue and the fortune teller both strangers to her can see the spirit with her. The fortune teller I assume again if not y he keep asking her where is the other child when she keep saying she oni 1 daughter.
3)When u chant in ur heart without even ur lips moving, she will know and have headaches.
4)depression may cause that person to be imgainative, but so powerful or so lucky to guess correctly what u doing or what another person going to say?
5)how can a cup cover overturn by itself when no one knock on the table and seen by me and frd A.
6)tibetan monks after checking her case oso same if not will not required do the demon destroying puja and her reaction during this puja.
7)when she upset or stress oso means her mind is brokedown, and she start shaking her head like trance.

Theres many more points to find and write, but i can only says i understd ur doubt oso. Course if i am in ur shoes, i will not 100% believe cos i nvr been thru or see it. I share my encounter is to let all know theres more to life, whether how many choose to belief or dun, its all individual and fate.

Thats y when a person mind is strong, a spirit cannot possess the person. But the spirit can do many more, it can start messing up your life till the point u breakdown mentally using many ways.



For me, whatever spirits or so, its all karma u ever owed debt to them, but they are indirectly oso our benefactors, cos they are actually guiding us to the right path.

[Cheonging101]

Originally Posted by billgates

I am hesitant to give out the whole story for fear of identifying the surviving kin and also revealing my identity. Although she was hallucinating and seeing all kinds of spirits, hers was clearly a medical case. She was diagnosed with severe depression. It was "too late" because she skipped medication on that fateful day and was left alone and unsupervised.

Well, I'm sure you can explain the below phenomenon with science then, can you?

Originally Posted by zapme

1) The eyes expression, the way and tone she talk is all different.
2) My collegue and the fortune teller both strangers to her can see the spirit with her. The fortune teller I assume again if not y he keep asking her where is the other child when she keep saying she oni 1 daughter.
3)When u chant in ur heart without even ur lips moving, she will know and have headaches.
4)depression may cause that person to be imgainative, but so powerful or so lucky to guess correctly what u doing or what another person going to say?
5)how can a cup cover overturn by itself when no one knock on the table and seen by me and frd A.
6)tibetan monks after checking her case oso same if not will not required do the demon destroying puja and her reaction during this puja.
7)when she upset or stress oso means her mind is brokedown, and she start shaking her head like trance.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by billgates

Yes, I m RC as well. And I stand corrected, yes, I know of documented cases of possessions etc but I can tell u it's extremely rare, like 1/10 is confirmed genuine.

Very well said, and on what grounds can you ascertain that his belong to the 9/10 fakes and 1/10 genuine?
Pls enlighten the audience wif your wisdom

Originally Posted by billgates

For the majority of cases, it all boils down to depression and "state of mind". Most ppl convince themselves and others there are supernatural forces at work and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Hell yeah, i sure know this part.
Now back to this case then.
Her family saw it!!!!!!!!!!
The mediums or watever u wanna call em claims it too (this i can only give 50% credit)
You sure as hell didnt see crap, so how do you pass the judgement you made???????

Originally Posted by billgates

I personally know of one case - a woman suffering frm depression who tells me all kinds of things happening in her house, spririts flying out when she burns her hubby's porn materials etc. Eventually she took her own life. Some of u may remember this case in SG some years back. While most of us are thrilled & entertained by stories of supernatural encounters etc, we are in fact, reinforcing the "victims" beliefs by being interested to know more and believing everything they say.

I like this statement. But making baseless decisions and resolutions tells you alot about a person, in this case you.
Did you even bother to go over to the lady's place, god bless her soul, and try to debunk it?????
Or like what you did here, just say & convinced yourself and then her than she's just NUTS???????

Originally Posted by billgates

I am not saying TS is a liar, just that there is so much we don't know and we have to explore all possibilities before concluding its the act of spirits etc. If it were to happen to me, my first course would be to seek medical help. Only if all else fails and its confirmed that I need divine intervention, then I wld seek out a priest.

Because you didnt read through all the materials that TS painstakingly pen down & passed judgment, asking him & her to seek a shrink, can you please then tell us all how you justify your above statement. You contradicted everything you said.
Also, she's already on depression medication, and if you know the medical fraternity, you'll know that only licensed psychiatrists are allowed to prescribe such drugs....there you go
Also, because you claim that TS and his GF needs to seek mental institutional attention because of the paranormal, how can you ascertain that there aint any in the 1st place?
Can you justify your remarks or its just that its more convenient for you to just shrug it off and say that they're both kinda mental?????????

Originally Posted by billgates

I am not toking cock n bull here, like u, I have researched this supernatural thingy, even spending nights at CCK cemetary during Ghost Month but finding nothing, zilch.

What is a haunting?????
You can dig up a coffin and sleep in the coffin hugging the bones i there for all i care & you might still see Zilch.
Does that prove that they dun exist?
Does that prove that all who have encountered them 1st hand, including me, mental and shud seek medical attention?

Originally Posted by billgates

My best friend, who is a Buddhist monk, have this to say. Yes, there are spirit entities out there, but their power is derived from our fears.

Just like food we need, these entities need to feed to have strength, that is derived from negative energies we emanate. Fear, Anger, Lust, Greed etc are all food for them, thus if you're a KTV player, you'll know most if not all KTV's are filled wif them, cos its good feeding ground for these spirits..........you being a RC, shud know the meaning of purgatory. Remember, when we pass on, if dun go up or down, what happens to our souls??????

Originally Posted by billgates

To each his own, I guess. Kindly do not zap me for my personal beliefs, thank u.

No one has the rite to condemn you on your personal belief. Granted.
But when you impose it & pass judgment like that, it shows the level of sensitivity and maturity you possess.
So do practice what you preach to prevent any unecessary anal bleeding!

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki

p/s: This esteem Bro DO_YOU_BJ is awesome and insightful. What a bless to see him out of retirement and commented here

Tks bro for your kind words, me shy shy hehehehehe
No, I'm not out from retirement but was alerted by a bro to read and comment on this thread cos he said I'm needed here cos he knows of the many similar cases I went thru before that were like photostat.
The last time, one of the bros were so depressed that he also claimed his house haunted liao. We gave him a benefit of a doubt and stayed over for 2 days straight. 3 SBF bros camped over to give him the confidence and also to prove to him its all in the mind. Of the 3 of 1, one was a total disbeliever, also, sadly, roman catholic like me but has the pattern of BillGates. What we saw that nite, we cannot but tap on the bros shoulder and said, we'll be back wif help. Guess who ran out the fastest and wanted out from helping this poor bro, the one who said NO SUCH THING LA wahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by billgates

Bro, the story is like this, during Ghost Month, the spirits are "resurrected" by hired mediums to have their say on what they are lacking in their afterlife. Ironically most next-of-kin are more interested to get 4D numbers from their deceased relatives. I found the atmosphere more like a carnival with one clan association after another coming in with mediums in a trance (supposedly possessed by the deceased person's spirit) telling the surviving members of the family what they need etc. I have the whole event recorded on film. I think if these mediums were working in Hollywood, they would be likely candidates for the Emmy Awards under the category "Best Acting Under Possession by Unknown Spirits."

I have personally witnessed many of such events, and like you have mentioned before, given, i saw 99.99% of these mentioned are all BULL CRAP

[DO_YOU_BJ]

cont'd from above

Originally Posted by billgates

Apologies again if I sound sceptical but as I said, this is my personal opinion only. Others may have their own views and I shld respect that. Some choose to believe while some choose to dismiss. For me, I need facts and evidence.

There is nothing wrong being a skeptic, hell, i am also one myself but i choose to investigate and come to terms wif what i get in terms of EVIDENCE before i even comment anything. This basic requirement, you did not fulfill. Thus that's not called skeptic but pure ignorance and arrogance.
I've decided to add a few pics for bros references on the incident i mentioned above where the yaya papaya one ran for his life.
There were many experiences we all felt 1st hand but sadly, were not captured on film but those that have been, a few of them, i'd like to share cos no faces were in them to protect their privacy!


Note the very bright orb at the lampshade!
Room was pitch dark wif curtains drawn and all lights off.
3 pic were taken at the same position and we cannot re-create this same shot. If you enlarge the orb, you'll see a face!

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Note 3 orbs on the cupboard.
Same applies, enlarge and see what you see

Note orb at lower middle right of pic.

Note orb just above the bed slightly off center to the rite

Look at the darkspace in the pic.
This was taken from inside a room out through a doorframe.
Look at those white suspended thingy...nope, no paint probs again and this one till now, we cannot determine what it is and what nature it belongs to

You want evidence, there you have it!

[fedomme]

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki

Hi Bro hard2, ZEN (禅) is good.

I am a naturalistic aka free thinker (that's why so free always post here.heehee), I respect all religions as equally divine and true and see the good in all. Error which is human due to misconception and misconstruction of truths on account of prejudice, bigotry, lack of purity of heart, subtlety, purity of intellect and perverted condition.

p/s: This esteem Bro DO_YOU_BJ is awesome and insightful. What a bless to see him out of retirement and commented here

Reading this thread is more like having a philosophy lesson

I have read some of Bro DO_YOU_BJ's post in the mistress thread, and he has lot of experiences in handling working ladies, a master in his own area, and a modern 西门庆 (the positive way here)

[colins]

Originally Posted by billgates

.......
Only if all else fails and its confirmed that I need divine intervention, then I wld seek out a priest. I am not toking cock n bull here, like u, I have researched this supernatural thingy, even spending nights at CCK cemetary during Ghost Month but finding nothing, zilch.
.......

Originally Posted by billgates

I am hesitant to give out the whole story for fear of identifying the surviving kin and also revealing my identity. Although she was hallucinating and seeing all kinds of spirits, hers was clearly a medical case. She was diagnosed with severe depression. It was "too late" because she skipped medication on that fateful day and was left alone and unsupervised.

....... I think if these mediums were working in Hollywood, they would be likely candidates for the Emmy Awards under the category "Best Acting Under Possession by Unknown Spirits."

Apologies again if I sound sceptical but as I said, this is my personal opinion only. Others may have their own views and I shld respect that. Some choose to believe while some choose to dismiss. For me, I need facts and evidence.

Ok bros, I'm going to say something over here so believers pls bear with me. This message is for billgates and applies to this context only.

billgates, I have not researched into this religious thing neither have I spent a lot of time reading religious text. But I'm going to turn this ying & yang around and USE YOUR RATIONALE to explain my experience.

I am not just toking cock & bull here, like you I have attend mass before and visited many churches. But even in the holiest occasions, I have never seen God. I dun even bother to use a camera. I think if these priests were working in Hollywood, they would be likely candidates in the Emmy Awards for "Best Acting for faking God exist".

If you think the above sounds ridiculous, that is becos it IS ridiculous. But this is how it sounds if you stand on the other side, hearing yourself speak. If religion is something you must see and touch, like your quest for facts and evidence, you are contradicting yourself as a Roman Catholic! Why? Becos its your religion so you can allow special concession? Or becos it is another religion so it MUST be based on facts and evidence. Fucking loads of crap and bull, if you ask me.

At first I thought maybe I can also relate an experience or two, but I realised you are not looking for evidence. You are looking to debunk something you are not supposed to believe, just like the same approach you took when you took a look at the posts and saw the word 'possession', quit reading and started posting your first advice. 'Oh I also got experience, see, I slept in a cemetery'. 'Oh I saw many so-called possessions, but they are damn good actors sia'.

Lastly, if it really come to a day when 'if all else fails and its confirmed that you will need divine intervention, then you would seek out a priest', I can tell you now that you will ONLY need a friend or even the priest to tell you that 'clearly it is a medical case'. By then perhaps, you can wait until it is 'too late' to get your very own 'fateful day'. You know how to talk right, these are all your own words in your own line of thought. You can give yourself the allowance of 'all else fails so divine intervention is allowed', then you confirmed your unfortunate friend is 'clearly a medical case'? So she dun deserve divine intervention and you do? Anybody displaying symptoms of possession can go to a shrink and be certified 'possessed' so divine intervention can be rightly sought? Nobody can, but only you can place judgement? Why, becos you spent a night at the cemetery, so that gives you the right?

I think you need some divine intervention now. Your stupidity shines like a bloody halo.

[tuxedosam]

wow, this sure is a deliciously lively discussion...i hope nobody minds me chipping in with my three cents' worth of verbiage. a couple of caveats first, though... i'm a sceptic and an agnostic and fall on what you might call the 'strong' end of the agnostic continuum too, which kinda makes me a de facto atheist. that doesn't mean that i am not a 'spiritual' person in any way or that i enjoy casting aspersions on any kind of religious, mystical or spiritual practice or tradition out there. in fact, the opposite is true and I have always been fascinated by the persistence and resilience of 'religious' beliefs in one form or another in our globalised, secularised world, for one. a world which one used to think (at least before the emergence of radical islam as a global ideological current to be reckoned with, or the unstoppable rise of the religious right in the united states, just for starters) that modernity had long brutally demystified, rationalised and rendered mundane. taking an engrossed look through this thread, it is so obvious that this simply isn't so. anyhow, if i make any comment that offends any believer of any sort, you have my apologies in advance. no offence is intended at all and i simply wish to share and contribute a different perspective, that's all. i have no interest in precipitating a battle-of-words slug-fest or a flame war. like i said elsewhere before, we all have different experiences and biographies so we're all bringing our own unique perspectives to the table. if nobody is intentionally being an arse, let us all respect this diversity of views above all. we can, can't we?

whatever it is, extraordinary claims DO require extraordinary proof. any claim to truth requires strong evidence. all the more the extraordinary ones. makes perfect sense if you consider that some of the ordinary truths we take for granted were once extraordinary truth claims as well that earned their place in the sun only after a protracted process of debate, empirical experimentation and validation. if someone were to make some claim that he or she is able to jump off a building and defy gravity by levitating (using some kind of 'psionic' power, for example) without any sort of mechanical assistance, i am sure he or she would have to present a huge array of supporting data and evidence to substantiate his/her claim if it is to be taken seriously, one which goes against not only 'commonsensical' observations and experience, but more importantly, a wealth of scientific knowledge that has been painstakingly accumulated over the centuries. i'm sure scientists would be ecstatic to observe some new evidence that contradicts newton's laws. fringe research of the sort that fits the label of 'parapsychology' has introduced many 'findings' over the years, but the vast majority of them simply do not meet the standards that are required for any claim to be accepted as scientific 'facts'. once you scratch away the attractive gloss on the surface of their case files (and most of them don't even have any sheen to speak of), they simply fall apart. what of things that are not normally visible to our senses but which existence is not in doubt (scientifically). if we can accept that subatomic particles exist, why not spirits and ghosts (or gods)? i would think that these are fundamentally different classes of truth claims altogether because again, the evidence for one simply isn't of the same calibre and quality as the other. another example: einstein’s general theory of relativity has been accepted as fact for many years, despite its apparent contradiction of our everyday experiences. engineers planning space flights and scientists studying subatomic phenomena are just two groups of people who depend on it to make their work a success. and it always passes with flying colours. and yet at every eclipse of the sun, it is put to the test again and again, each time hitting its mark. one just cannot make a claim that the so-called 'paranormal' is possibly in the same league with respect to evidence and 'proof'. for any of these claims to be regarded as facts or truth, they would have to exhaustively investigated and validated using a proper approach that conforms to the scientific method. which means gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. if data cannot be rigorously placed under a thorough and exhaustive process that involves being put through observation and experimentation, as well as the formulation and testing of hypotheses (taking into consideration basic criteria such as parsimony, scope, falsifiability etc.), then we also can't really talk about it if it was as real as the sun or moon, rain or wind, quarks or quasars.

i have no experience with the 'paranormal', despite having placed myself on multiple occasions into situations that would have been ideal to have an 'encounter'. i have perhaps seen a couple of odd incidents here and there but a spirit of simplicity (the sort of economy captured by occam's razor) and my general scepticism prevents me from reading too much into those events (which are easily explainable by other non-paranormal reasons). nonetheless, at least one close friend (and he is a learned and intellectual bloke with a master degree in philosophy from a well-regarded institution, on top of being a lapsed roman catholic of sorts) and two out of the only three women whom i have ever loved in my life have relayed at least one example (each) of a 'supernatural' encounter to me. i have no reason to doubt any of them nor would i think that they would lie to me, at least not over something as inconsequentially consequential as this. they are all reasonable, rational people, who do not have major mental health issues (at least not to the point of interefering with normal life, maybe save for one of the women). and on top of that, they are also reasonably open-minded and sceptical individuals, and not the unnecessarily pantang or weak-willed sort. while they can present no evidence other than their accounts, i also can't dismiss their claims outright, simply because i happen to know them well and trust them. and since i was not present at any of these incidents, i also cannot offer any simpler, more parsimonious and prosaic explanations, for fear of sounding like an arrogant and insensitive prick mouthing off in bad faith. it doesn't mean that i believe in the paranormal or supernatural at all. it's just that i believe that these folks believe that they had some kind of encounter that fits that bill. good enough a distinction to me.

communication on a board like this is can be a warped abstraction of real life. there is no way of knowing whether one means what he or she said or if the person holding the account is really the persona whom he or she is attempting to project. again, a sceptical grain of salt helps. nonetheless, that doesn't mean we can't suspend our disbelief here and there from time to time. evidence helps, of course. personally, i feel the TS account has been very touching and heartfelt. and given certain events earlier in his life, maybe i might also be thinking that we might perhaps be a little similar, assuming again that this has been a relatively truthful account, hence the empathy. while i discount pseudoscientific claims in general (which would include most if not all of what is deemed supernatural or paranormal phenomena, but also a whole lot more), i am also respectful of the fact that these beliefs do hold certain (and sometimes very important) meanings for people. one might discount the scientific validity of these claims but it would simply be extremely conceited and ignorant to deny that there are certain cultural logics at work, because these beliefs do not happen in a vacuum, but are necessarily anchored in a social reality that allows them to be reproduced and accepted as inalienable aspects of life in the first place. the first time i witnessed a medium 'possession' session was on an out-of-classroom excursion when i was doing a course on the sociology and anthropology of religion back in school. and i never forgot what my professor (a non-observant jew, a cambridge alumnus and an atheist) instructed: that if all the social actors involved in the ritual were there in good faith, then we cannot derive any insight or meaning from the excursion if we are unable to suspend our sceptical misconceptions first and foremost, or if we don't even have the honesty, integrity and sincerity to attempt to see, in entirely good faith, the whole event from the point of view of the participants, to any extent that it might be meaningful to them. wise words. while we might come from rather different backgrounds and have completely different ways of looking at the universe and life, that doesn't mean we can't see any meaning at all in the actions of each other. in the TS' deeds, one can certainly see sincerity, love, faith, steadfastness, sacrifice and repentance, and perhaps other somewhat more negative but equally human traits like a hint of jealousy and selfishness etc. whatever it is, it has certainly been moving.

hmph, i do have a bit more to say but might have to leave it for now (at least till later today) as i'm very tired and rushing to finish up some stuff before i kick-start my end-of-the-year holiday. if anyone disagrees with whatever i've typed, feel free to do so. if you wanna, please leave a few words and we can perhaps have a reasoned discussion. or if not, never mind too. whatever it is, let's be civil la! have a good day, cheers.

[zapme]

Nice morning to all, firstly i like to thank those who actually use their precious time to read up.

This kinda of encountered in life is best actually not to mention again and moved on in life, reason y i shared is very simple, i just wana people to know that there is more to life. Even if i do not have any religion belief, i will oso dun dared to faked a story dragging Guanyin Pusa and Amituofuo into my lies. Its a karma not one can repay.

I took a very long and tedious path to my current religion, sad to say nw i had backtracked in my religion. But i sincerely hope everyone will practise more in each of their own religion. Simple cos every religion teaches us how to be good.

In my own views, i believe at least 9 out 10plp here including myslf are all doing things that are wrong. Thats y i decide to share my encounter here.
I always tell people i get to know.

Life is not about what you have gained or achieved, Life is about whether have you lead a meaningful life.

What is real happiness??? This question i like to ask, but not asking your mind, i will like to ask your heart. Use your heart to get the answer.


When u bed a chiobu, its shiok and happy.
When u kana lottery.
Or u manage get something u wanted.
All these are are happiness to me as well.

Or this? When u help someone in need, the person although only say a heartful thank you to you.

Few years later when u look back at your life, i believe u can smile sweetly to urslf whenever u think back how u ever helped people in need.

Thats is real happiness.