Batam Info / Interest / Help Thread

[HeatguyAlvin]

Originally Posted by retirebatam

Ever since Jokowi took over office, there were changes to the rules facilitating foreign ownership of property. This is an important step for foreign investors to gain confidence in the Indonesian property market which can help boost the economy.

From my understanding, Indonesian owner buy Indonesia property fall under two categories:

1) Hak Milik (right to own) which is a freehold title that can be bought, sold or mortgaged by an Indonesian citizen and do not need to be extended.

2) Hak Guna Bagunan (right to build) which is the right to use a building for a certain period of time and then has to be extended. The owner of Hak Guna Bagunan land is the Indonesian government. Under this, the Indonesian national has the right to construct a building on a plot of land for a period of 25 years and subject to subsequent renewal by applying to the National Land Agency.

On the other hand, foreigners are currently able to buy Indonesia property under the following ways:

1) Hak Pakai (right to use) which is the right to purchase an apartment with strata title within an apartment block that is on state land. The foreigner owner must renew their right to use. The initial Hak Pakai period is for 25 years, then is renewed for an additional 25 years and finally a 20 years period. (maximum 70 years) (leasehold)

2) Purchase of a house on freehold land by written consent from the Indonesian landowner. This is for 25 years and extendable for another 25 years. (maximum 50 years)

3) Purchase of a freehold property by a nominee Indonesian national who would own the freehold title but signs over power of attorney and other legal rights.
(the indonesian national cannot sell the property without the consent of the foreigner)

this is correct as of now.

[HeatguyAlvin]

Originally Posted by Naka_Timo

Thanks for the info. You have such hanky panky type to intro bo?

jb have leh recently

[HeatguyAlvin]

Originally Posted by BatamBro

Any brothers went to the spa secret?

https://www.tripadvisor.com.sg/Attra...7717-d2510514-
Reviews-The_Spa_Secret-Batam_Riau_Archipelago_Riau_Islands_Province.html

Got HJ service anot?

Anyone got private drivers to recommend?

from what i know it's clean de leh

[JuOn]

and kinky massage at golden bay hotel? can intro?

[retirebatam]

Originally Posted by nitecrawllerr

I been in and out of JB for donkey ears. Have a free hold landed property at JB too. So far so good. Never been rob at nite. Medical expense cheap and service Good. Cars also cheap and i can drive all the way to KL...or even Thailand. Just need to pay tolls. What more can i expect? Satisfied leow. Only hope the cost of living dont go up as fast as sillypore.

When a country gets too advance/high tech/modern, the cost of living will also increase. Therefore retiring in a less developed country gives your savings a higher purchasing power.

That’s why many people wish that bolehland should not be too developed so that the cost of living remain affordable to most of the people like cheap car, cheap house, cheap necessity items, cheap goods and services, etc.

By the way, what is the requirement of minimum price that a foreigner can purchase landed property in msia during the time when you bought your landed property?

[retirebatam]

Originally Posted by nitecrawllerr

Yes. Is a good place to cheong. For retirement i will look at the tenure of the property. If no freehold or 99 years i just give it a miss. Of course other area like transportation, medical expenses etc etc have to consider too. But to me property important to me. But tats me. My meat may be ur poison.

Malaysia is still a foreigner-friendly country with relatively cheap living costs. Comparatively, it is also a more retirement friendly country than the rest of the south east asia countries as this can be seen from the number of properties built for foreigner to buy, be it apartment/condo or landed properties and most of them are freehold properties (strata title and land title) which foreigner can own.
(this is unlikely the case in indonesia)

To encourage foreigner to retire in malaysia, the msia garmen also issue MM2H (Malaysia My Second Home) long term visit pass (10 years) to the successful foreigner applicant and can renew for another 10 more years upon expiry. The benefit of MM2H is that the successful applicant is able to buy one tax free vehicle and lots of other benefits.
(there is no such privilege in indonesia)

If did not remember wrongly, over the years, the eligibility criteria that a foreigner can buy JB landed property under the following minimum value requirement has been changed several times:

Before Year 2008, foreigner can buy JB landed property above RM 250,000

From Year 2008 - 31 Dec 2013, foreigner can only buy JB landed property above RM 500,000.

From 1 Jan 2014 - Till date, foreigner can only buy JB landed property above RM 1,000,000 (land title) and JB Apartment/Condo units above RM 500,000 (strata title)

The purpose of the changes is to reserve more “cheaper landed property” for local malaysian.

[retirebatam]

Originally Posted by nono1973

As well as other trivial things which i took into consideration...

1. Who's gonna paint/clean my external block wall every 5 years? (just look at the condition of Batam Queen Victoria apartment blocks after 5 odd years,hehehe..)

2. Who's gonna fix my apartment when there's a leak on my ceiling? (since MOST apartment owners wont be at home in Batam)

3. Will there even be a rubbish chute? (i am saying, how they gonna manage their rubbish from those apartment blocks and not who will,hehehe..)

4. Lift breakdown? Hehehe...not that i am stingy, but i am considering buying lower floors than higher floors for this reason. Pros and cons, and i will need to bear with the mosquitoes (easy for me).

Many would feel that i think too much or just being kiasu. One of the other factor which i REALLY REALLY MUST consider before purchase is...who's the management and how efficient they are (even after i have cut expectation by half).

1. Unlike in singapore where condo/apartments gets a fresh coat of paint every 5 -7 years under repair and redecoration works, buildings in indonesia including batam always lack routine maintenance. Can see some buildings in batam after it was built has hardly any maintenance, neglected and in a terrible run down condition.

2. Under the strata title act in singapore, if there is a inter-floor water seepage between the upper floor and the lower floor in a condo, the upper floor owner is liable and responsible to carry out the repair. And if the water leakage is at the unit on the highest floor, then it is the responsibility of the management to carry out the repair at the roof since the roof is a common area which is maintained by the management.

However, if there is a ceiling leakage on your newly bought unit from the developer in Batam, the developer normally will provide either 5 or 10 years warranty to all the waterproofing work at all levels and will undertake to carry out the rectification work.

3. The rubbish chute is either inside the individual unit kitchen area or at the common corridor. They should have a refuse collection truck to remove rubbish from the condo daily. However, not sure whether the refuse collection in batam is efficient and reliable or not.

4. Lift breakdown can be an important issue for a high rise building. Lift contractor are supposed to attend to the breakdown within a certain time duration. But Batam is not Spore. As it may lacks qualified lift technician to repair and service the lift.

5. In spore, strata units (condo/Apt) are managed by professional managing agent. However, Batam may not have sufficient qualified people to maintain the building.

[nitecrawllerr]

Originally Posted by retirebatam

To encourage foreigner to retire in malaysia, the msia garmen also issue MM2H (Malaysia My Second Home) long term visit pass (10 years) to the successful foreigner applicant and can renew for another 10 more years upon expiry. The benefit of MM2H is that the successful applicant is able to buy one tax free vehicle and lots of other benefits.
(there is no such privilege in indonesia)

The purpose of the changes is to reserve more “cheaper landed property” for local malaysian.

I bought when the threshold was 500k. Now above 1 juta. As for MM2H, still contemplating.

Costs of living still ok for now. But with the sultan jv with china developer, can forsee lots of prc coming over. Things wont be cheap. I may consider another property at Batam if the leasehold criteria to my favour. If its just 25 years and renewal for lets say till 100 years then can consider i.e. if the purchase price dont cost more than my unit at JB. My JB house cost me S$230k in today value. So the batam unit cannot cost more than S$40K ...considering is a leasehold and only 25yrs lease. But i always have this feeling i feel more comfortable over at JB than Batam.

[nono1973]

Originally Posted by ndnd

Maintenance fee for apartment in batam is from 1juta to 2.5juta a month. Depend on which apartment. So far there is only one apartment in batam worth buying.

Hmm.. that doesnt sound good. So many units in the apartment block but the maintenance fee cost so much. Costing almost like renting a studio unit in Batam (or a hotel room type in Nagoya area). To me, anything above S$100 per month maintenance is rather high.

And which apartment in Batam to you is worth buying?

Originally Posted by ndnd

Apartment electricity charges is almost 3 times of normal landed house.

Mind if i ask, how much roughly is electricity charges in landed house? Hehehe...i ask cos i never stayed in Batam landed house before.

[DDAMn]

Mind if i ask, how much roughly is electricity charges in landed house? Hehehe...i ask cos i never stayed in Batam landed house before. [/QUOTE]

Previously when i was renting a 2 storey property with 2 bedroom in Baloi area it cost me 1 juta for 1 month as the electricity meter was using prepaid token that was with the Ac on 24 hrs water bill is counted separately maybe that could serve as your benchmark.While a short stint in a batam studio apartment in DC mall area monthly eletricity came to about 500,000 IDR.

[nono1973]

Originally Posted by sohbuckkong

When u enter pacific disco, u see high sofas , so surely can rabba rabba the girls, no more a disco, mummy will approach u.

This is interesting. Lup Sup Bar in Singapore is a dying trend, if there were ever one in batam, probably might attract more people there,hehehe...i am just curious how would it be like the concept is done in Batam. Lights off, hands on,when the bills comes or lights on, paying table will be surround by many girls,hehehe...

Originally Posted by HeatguyAlvin

jb have leh recently

Hehehe...Batam used to have. Just dont know if they are still around.

How i wish someone would bring Shenzhen salon concept of the 80s/90s to Batam.

Originally Posted by HeatguyAlvin

from what i know it's clean de leh

Try being the last customer of the evening during a weekday. May stand a higher chance if the massage girl is young,hehehe... What i am saying here is, its a happy and willing concept for the 2 involved party in the room.

Yes, i agreed with you the place Spa secret is indeed "clean".

[nono1973]

Originally Posted by DDAMn

Previously when i was renting a 2 storey property with 2 bedroom in Baloi area it cost me 1 juta for 1 month as the electricity meter was using prepaid token that was with the Ac on 24 hrs water bill is counted separately maybe that could serve as your benchmark.While a short stint in a batam studio apartment in DC mall area monthly eletricity came to about 500,000 IDR.

Hmm..that being said, landed property electricity cost is doubled that of a studio apartment (base on same person living in it). It makes more sense to me now. I cannot imagine myself paying 1.5 juta a month just for electricity usage alone.

I do have a handful of friends who rent studio apartment in Batam and the monthly electricity were about similar to yours. Previous known local taxi drivers i knew stayed in landed property, but their bill cant be use as benchmark for foreigner staying in apartment.

Thank you for sharing.

[nono1973]

Hehehe...Batam never fail to surprise me,so many new hotels suddenly pop up...hehehe...and here's interesting hotel at one corner of Nagoya Hill Mall itself, calling itself AK Hotel.

Not bad for a new hotel that cost around S$32. The type of room below cost around S$32...

...and of course, most of them were actually more squarish instead of round shaped. One funny thing is that the squarish shaped room actually cost about S$36 and they are at 21 square meter, 2 square meter bigger than the semi-circled room that cost about S$32.

Room of the same size as the squarish room but with an extra single person bed will then cost around S$43,hehehe...

I would say not bad for a short stay vacation since this hotel is practically just half a stone throw away Nagoya Hill Mall.

[blk437]

Hello everyone, long time no logged in. Recently i started going batam alone. I usually go to Nagoya area and M1 M2 ktv myself. I find the girls all so ugly and fat. Is there any place i can go to find more standard girls?

[nono1973]

Since i am mostly staying around Nagoya area,hence my sharing would mostly be around that area,hehehe...and i just notice this rather expensive Beverly Hotel recently, located somewhere between the Elisabeth hospital and Nagoya Mansion.

Location wise not so fantastic and their basic 19 square meter room cost around S$58.

...and the bigger room at 30 square meter cost about S$67.

Dont know why the hotel's asking price is so high. Maybe becos they have a bath tub in their 30 square meter room?

Or perhaps because they have a swimming pool? Hehehe...

For myself, i think there are better hotels than this one with the similar price in Batam,hehehe...

I think maybe they are new...hehehe...and no, i wont be staying there anytime soon even tho its near Nagoya area.

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Below has nothing to do with the above Beverly hotel above.

Hmm...recently seems to have quite a lot of people renting out their apartments and/or villa type house out like a hotel room. There's one near Batam Center area that catches my attention tho.

(the back of villa)

It came with 3 bed rooms and only cost around S$114.00,hehehe...not bad for a short stay with a handful of friends.

(the front of villa)

I am guess their selling point for this villa hotel is more onto "back to nature".

There is a rowing boat...hehehe...

A balcony to see sunset and sunrise.

I notice some fishing rod near the bbq it area too.

...and one of how the other room looks like on the 2nd floor.

Now, for S$114.00, its a good deal...hehehe...i factor in all the transport travelling cost and the expense to buy groceries from convenient into the villa. I never consider swimming in the pond tho.

Lots of greenery in this place and i am also expecting mosquitoes too. Nonetheless, its a good place with a good price for most city dwellers to hit back to nature for some peaceful serenity with friends and family members. I may try out this place tho, if time allows.

Enjoy Batam, enjoying life...

* please avoid quoting my whole long post,especially this one. Thank you...