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[jackbl]

In Vietnam, debate underway over whether sex buyers should be named and shamed


A debate has broken out over a recent proposal by the Ministry of Labor, War Invalids and Social Affairs that the names of sex buyers should be revealed as a measure to deter them from resorting to sex services still considered illegal in Vietnam.
The ministry has also suggested that their buying sex should be informed to the places where sex buyers are working and the authorities in the localities where they are living.
The ministry said that the current fines, from VND500,000 (US$22.2) to VND10 million ($440), applied to sex buyers are still low and thus cannot prevent them from repeating their acts.
Therefore, publicizing the names of sex buyers should be considered an official administrative punishment inflicted on them, with a view to driving back prostitution, the ministry said.
Sex work is unlawful and regarded as a social evil in Vietnam.
Advocacy vs. opposition
Numerous readers of Tuoi Tre (Youth) newspaper have expressed their consent to the publication of sex buyers’ names, saying that “once having their names publicized, sex buyers would not have the guts to come to prostitutes again.”
Pham Thi Thuy, a sociologist, also supported the proposal.
“This is the best way to drive back prostitution that is affecting public health and familial happiness. Under certain circumstances, only strong measures can help steer sex buyers away from sex services,” Thuy said.
However, the biggest challenge to the proposal is how to implement it effectively, she added.
“Vietnamese people respect social relationships very much. They therefore can publicize the names of some sex buyers while covering up others’, depending on each rapport,” she elaborated.
There may be a situation in which sex buyers will have their names made known to the public if they are ordinary people and will have them kept in secret if they are in certain positions, the sociologist further explained.
Meanwhile, many other Tuoi Tre readers have argued that such measures would not be helpful but they could result in consequences.
“Naming and shaming sex buyers would probably bring about an adverse effect on individuals, their families and even the entire society,” a reader said.
Instead of publicizing the names of sex buyers, many other measures should be considered, including subjecting them to public labor.
People’s names should be publicized only when they have committed criminal crimes such as drug trafficking.
“In my opinion, the publication of sex buyers’ names may lead to circumstances in which they bribe law enforcement officers so that they would not disclose their names,” Tran Le Nguyen, a reader from Ho Chi Minh City’s Go Vap District, said.
Nguyen also emphasized that the first thing to be dealt with is whether or not the acts of buying and selling sex should be banned.
Worry about law conflict
Lawyer Ha Hai, from the Ho Chi Minh City Bar Association, said that the proposal can lead to a law conflict.
“If the proposition is accepted, it will contradict the law, especially the Constitution,” lawyer Hai said.
Citing Article 21 of the 2013 Constitution, the lawyer said, “Everyone has the right to inviolability of their private life, personal and family secrets; and is entitled to protect their honor and reputation. The security of information about private life, personal or family secrets shall be guaranteed by law.”
“Some people reckon that the publication of sex buyers’ names is a lawbreaking act, but they still consider this a necessary move to combat prostitution,” Huynh Phuoc Hiep, another lawyer, said.
However, it will be a serious mistake to promulgate an unlawful regulation to curb prostitution, he noted.
Lawyer Pham Thanh Binh remarked that sex buying or selling is an administrative violation that should not be treated criminally, and therefore the names of the sex buyers are advised not to be publicized.
People engaging in sex buying should not be considered criminals except for cases in which they purchase sex from minors, lawyer Binh said.
He advised that lawmakers should carefully consider the possible consequences of such name publication.
“It may cause unforeseeable social consequences. There were circumstances in which people committed suicide after the names of their fathers were revealed as sex buyers,” the lawyer warned

[jackbl]

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[jackbl]

87 percent of Vietnamese women admit to being sexually harassed: survey


Eighty-seven percent of women in Vietnam experience sexual harassment at least once in their life yet many refuse to look for help, according to findings of a national survey on domestic violence.
The statistic was announced by United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) Representative in Vietnam Ritsu Nacken during a policy forum on sexual violence against Vietnamese women and young girls in Hanoi on Wednesday.
The event was organized to mark the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women, which is observed annually on November 25, by the UNFPA, in cooperation with the Vietnamese Ministry of Labor, War Invalids and Social Affairs.
The day was designated by the United Nations General Assembly under Resolution 54/134 to raise awareness of the fact that women around the world are still subject to rape, domestic violence and other forms of violence.
Eighty-seven percent of Vietnamese women have been sexually harassed in public, and 58 percent of married women in the country reportedly experience either physical or sexual violence from their spouses, Nacken said, citing findings from the national survey.
However, the majority of victims do not seek help due to a lack of social services that are designed to support them in such cases, experts said at the forum.
Many also choose to stay silent after experiencing abuses as they fear criticism and discrimination from the community, they added.
Vietnamese convention unintentionally contributes to the alarming increase in violence against women, Deputy Minister of Labor, War Invalids and Social Affairs Nguyen Trong Dam was quoted by newswire Dan Tri as saying.
Many measures to prevent it from happening and to advocate gender equality were suggested at the forum, including employing media to raise public awareness of sexual violence, encouraging victims and the community to raise voices against crimes against women, establishing social services specializing in helping the victims, and amending the law to bring offenders to justice.

[Wendella]

Hey would this be an ok place to ask for a bit of translation help? My go-to guy for quick translations of difficult texts has disappeared on me suddenly.

Any help would be appreciated.

I guess I'll just include it here in this post rather than wait for an ok, if it's not ok then just ignore it.

OMG... Di lam k dc bao nhieu tien.:~ mà con bi chot nua.:+ minh co song ac voi ai dau. (
thoy T nhin de coi thu ban bay dở tro meo nao ra nua 8-)..
Ip

I get some of it but there's a lot that is obscure to me.

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by Wendella

OMG... Di lam k dc bao nhieu tien.:~ mà con bi chot nua.:+ minh co song ac voi ai dau. (
thoy T nhin de coi thu ban bay dở tro meo nao ra nua 8-)..
Ip

I get some of it but there's a lot that is obscure to me.

Tell me what u get some of it then I try on my part. As many people say I'm using copy-and-paste so allow me more time on online translators.

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by jackbl

Tell me what u get some of it then I try on my part. As many people say I'm using copy-and-paste so allow me more time on online translators.

this is the part I'm most curious about...

thoy T nhin de coi thu ban bay dở tro meo nao ra nua

I think we need someone really familiar with how young people here use sms slang too -- google translate has no clue what that last part means, unless it really means: Woven T nhin de considered bad fly ash collected ban musty sort of old ;-)

Thanks

[jackbl]

I have asked another vb what that sentence meant. She also dunno. Need to know the context and the person writing the sentence must write with correct spelling and sentence construction. Hehehe

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by Wendella

this is the part I'm most curious

Thanks

If u can understand 1st part then you already have basic standard liao. Dun think too much on 2nd part. Maybe she write too chim liao

[levine]

what's the best translator (app or online) around?
best if can copy and paste to message on phone

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by jackbl

If u can understand 1st part then you already have basic standard liao. Dun think too much on 2nd part. Maybe she write too chim liao

I'm not Singaporean, I dunno what chim liao means.

See, here is the thing. That post is in Zalo from the day she met me. I'm wondering if the 'musty and kind of old' is about me. 2nd part is important. First part is not.

[FireShark]

Originally Posted by Wendella

I'm not Singaporean, I dunno what chim liao means.

See, here is the thing. That post is in Zalo from the day she met me. I'm wondering if the musty and kind of old' is about me. 2nd part is important. First part is not.

Chim = difficult to understand

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by jackbl

I have asked another vb what that sentence meant. She also dunno. Need to know the context and the person writing the sentence must write with correct spelling and sentence construction. Hehehe

2nd part link to 1st part.
if know 1st part, can guess meaning of 2nd part.

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by Wendella

OMG... Di lam k dc bao nhieu tien.:~ mà con bi chot nua.:+ minh co song ac voi ai dau. (
thoy T nhin de coi thu ban bay dở tro meo nao ra nua 8-)..

part 1
work but don't earn much yet always let other disturb. I didn't even do bad things to other.

part 2 (my guess)
forget it. Let's see what other bad game you will come out with.

hope I am somehow correct as I have not been polishing my tieng viet for months

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

part 2 (my guess)
forget it. Let's see what other bad game you will come out with.

hope I am somehow correct as I have not been polishing my tieng viet for months

Yes you are right. No polish still can guess correct.

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

hope I am somehow correct as I have not been polishing my tieng viet for months

Today u made me changed my view of your tieng viet level. Hahaha.

Thought u are only good in conversational vietnamese but the sentence above made me impressed by your Reading Skill too