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[skydesperato]

As mentioned many many times in this forum, do not believe anything sounds too good in PRC. I would like to share this story with fellow samsters.

I'm currently in Hangzhou. Mistakenly took the words of a taxi driver who recommended this 浪漫时光 or 东都 KTV. A lot of goodies were offered, e.g. college girls only Rmb100, cheap drinks and etc etc.

After numerous stupid small orders/can drinks ordered by the missies... We noticed sth was really wrong (which we supposed to realise before we stepped into this place, i know...:P). We asked to stop and asked for the bill, as expected, the bill was urgh..... And the tips was raised to rmb300, with some explanations given.

This is only a small reminder for all the bros reading this forum, please do not play when you are in a stranger's place, you are just putting your wallet or even your lives on the table for these ppl to slaughter.

Please refer to those highly rated samsters comments.

Cheers mate. I have enough.

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by skydesperato

Please refer to those highly rated samsters comments.

Cheers mate. I have enough.

Bro, some KTVs or T-吧 do have 最低销费 impose on customers, always check first, or mingle with the locals there to find out more.

[skydesperato]

Dear Rof|maoxz,

Thanks for your comment. Appreciate it.

But this is not about the 最低销费, it's about the normal tricks these operators do on visitors, i.e. using tricks, "goodies", lies to make you visit them, then slaughter you gaogao. My first post might have confused you, my apology.

But of courze "always check first, or mingle with the locals there to find out more", this is absolutely correct.

Never let your small brother control you. and never trust the local taxi driver, that's the lesson of today.

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by skydesperato

Dear Rof|maoxz,

Thanks for your comment. Appreciate it.

But this is not about the 最低销费, it's about the normal tricks these operators do on visitors, i.e. using tricks, "goodies", lies to make you visit them, then slaughter you gaogao.

But of courze "always check first, or mingle with the locals there to find out more", this is absolutely correct.

Never let your small brother control you. hahaha.....

I agree lor, sometimes argue with the mgmt there is of no use also, if they wanted to cheat on intent, they will think of 101 excuses. I always make sure there's at least one local that I knew of wherever I go to each province, and I always ask for the bill upfront and verify beforehand.

[Mark Lim]

Bro, these are black shops 黑店 operated by hooligans, they are all over China. they lure customers with low rates, room 100rmb, girls 100rmb, etc. when you get the bill, it will go to thousands. many reasons given: your girl order a special drink, tidbits not included, 20% service charge, management fee, etc, etc, all bullshits.

despite my long time cheonging in china, i also kena several times in cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Tainjin, Chengdu, Xi'an & Lanzhou. so dun feel bad.

try to avoid going to unfamiliar places. if you ever get into one of these black shops, keep cool, dun be afraid. below are some ways you can get out in one piece:

1. if you know some gong an friends, call them. they are scared of gong ans.

2. if you are going with some local Chinese friends, they will quarrel and dun pay. then they will settle the bill with market rates.

3. if you are an experienced cheongster, try bargaining with them. tell them you know the market rate and are willing to pay a bit more but not ridiculous prices. normally, they will agree with some discounts. you still have to pay more, but at least not sky high prices.

4. if you are alone, the best way is not to keep too much money in your wallet. i normally keep < 1krmb in my wallet, the rest in secret pockets. show them your wallet and the money. they will not kill you but get the money you have, so you can limit loss.

the best joke i ever faced was in chengdu, a place called Ropongi night club downtown chengdu. after the session, the bill came and it was >2000rmb. told them i have been in china long time and i won't pay more than 500rmb. after some quarrel & haggling, the boss came and agree with 500rmb. then he gave me a stack of name cards, said 做个朋友 and ask me to recommend singaporean friends to go there.

wtf, fuck him the moment i stepped out of the ktv. almost feel like calling gong an to raid the place. anyway, cheong with care.

Mark Lim

[KLKOOL]

Only thing is always double check and never be shy to ask prices. As for calling the cops... not worth the trouble. If they get into trouble, they may look for their pound flesh. Best to just take it as a lesson learned and move on...

Oh... and if it Looks too good to be true, means it is. These syndicates play on your GREED ...

[3dee]

this is pretty common in china... i myself having the similar experience during my early day cheonging in china... paid to learn and this is how we become wiser...

[yangge]

crooks are everywhere. we just need to be more careful. if you get into one of these joints, try to get out peacefully. some of bro Mark's suggestions may be useful.

[skydesperato]

Originally Posted by Mark Lim

despite my long time cheonging in china, i also kena several times in cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Tainjin, Chengdu, Xi'an & Lanzhou. so dun feel bad.

YO brother Mark,

hehe... still kanna despite kanna so many times ya,

nvm lah, yesterday went to a nice nice nice place in hongqiao area, encountered with a nice mummy and some nice girls, one of them is lin xi lei lookalike, called xiao wei... wo...made up the loss ya....

hehe... came out a happy man... worth the money.

Bro Rolfmaox, downloaded many of ya clips and never repay your debt huh.. this time let me repay you a bit...

For other brothers,

Let me pay you back by introduce you the place which you "might have visited" in hongqiao, if interested, please let me humbly intro you the place which i think is so so good. 11 red wines, cost ard 2k. for 6 pax.

Private msg me, dudes. Let's the party rolls.

and fuck'em.. blck shps. wont let them touch on my lao mao.

[Mark Lim]

Originally Posted by skydesperato

YO brother Mark,

hehe... still kanna despite kanna so many times ya,

and fuck'em.. blck shps. wont let them touch on my lao mao.

Bro, no pain no gain mah. there are also real cheap ktvs in various china cities.

through these adventures, i found many real cheap ktvs in various cities. so now i can enjoy ktvs at 200-3000rmb for room with free flow beers and bring girl overnight for 300-500rmb.

i will continue to venture into these cheap places. 不入虎穴焉得虎子。 what i do now is to develop a strategy to get out in case i get into the black shops lor. actually, they know i have already enter the tiger den many times, so most of the times, they also give me face and give some discounts.

my spirit of cheonging is: never say die.

Mark Lim

[Manchukuo]

Really got to be careful overseas and best to avoid all legal entanglements with the law. Especially in China, things can get real ugly.

[gokkunbazooka]

Bro Skydesperato,

Let me share with you some of my better adventures (coincidentally TWO of my best fucks in China) in Hangzhou. I was there barely 1.5 months ago, stayed at the Capitol Star Hotel (Xingdu Jiudian) and I was very very lucky as I chanced upon the "Health club" within the Hotel, which was favoured by many local PRC businessmen.

I personally had 2 very good fucks with fresh SYTs there 2 nights in a row when I stayed there (2 nights also ). Sorry I couldn't remember the exact floor it was on, but there is only ONE Health Club Spa/ Sauna there. When it gets busy, be prepared to wait up to 1 hour for your turn to get a SYT.

Full service includes Fire/ Ice on whole body until your dick + FJ + massage.

I remember that damage was RMB800+, which includes ALL services. DO NOT tip the girl, they won't ask for it from my experience. Gals and Manager there also concur that they are the premier fuckshop in Hangzhou, this I cannot validate for you unfortunately...

As for similar 5-star fuck service in Shanghai, I had it in Hengsheng Bandao Hotel Spa/ Sauna, damage was RMB750.

Hope this helps!

[skydesperato]

Originally Posted by Manchukuo

Really got to be careful overseas and best to avoid all legal entanglements with the law. Especially in China, things can get real ugly.

ah.. mind sharing your story?

[skydesperato]

Originally Posted by gokkunbazooka

Bro Skydesperato,

As for similar 5-star fuck service in Shanghai, I had it in Hengsheng Bandao Hotel Spa/ Sauna, damage was RMB750.

Hope this helps!

Mingdian, yuping, shanghai binguan are highly recommended by the big brothers in Shanghai, personnally tried some of them.

We were more interested in getting ktv girls for overnight as they are less "commercialised", occassionally, you get pleasant surprises.

Recently tried one ktv in hongqiao, very good feeling.

[gokkunbazooka]

Originally Posted by skydesperato

Mingdian, yuping, shanghai binguan are highly recommended by the big brothers in Shanghai, personnally tried some of them.

We were more interested in getting ktv girls for overnight as they are less "commercialised", occassionally, you get pleasant surprises.

Recently tried one ktv in hongqiao, very good feeling.

Oh ok... Thanks for your info then!! I will try out some of your recommendations when I visit Shanghai 2 months later.

Cheers!!